Timm Genealogy

Thanks to my second cousin Suzanne she tagged my great grandfather Henri Timm’s family photo in Ancestry.

To the best of my knowledge the people in the photo are as follows: Henri Pierre Timm my great grandfather who has his hand on his father Charles Timm’s chair, George Henri is the middle he was younger than Henri, Charles Daniel Timm has his hand on his mother Catherine’s (Catharina Kohnen) chair he was the oldest.

Their daughter Maria Catherine is missing from the photo. She is listed on the 1891 Census when the family moved for a short time to farm in Ste-Lucie-de-Doncaster, Terrebonne, Quebec. She was 9 at the time. I believe this photo was taken in 1892 before Henri married Dalia Labelle when Henri was 16, George would have been 14, his brother Charles would have been 17, their parents Charles and Catherine were both 46.

Finding the Clues That Tell the Story

The following documents tell the life stories of Charles Timm and his family. There is information about their births, their jobs, where they lived, and when and who they married. I traced their descendants who lived in Quebec, Ontario and then moved to British Columbia. I hope you enjoy reading what I have uncovered and please comment on any information you would like to add.

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Charles and Catherine’s Marriage Record

Finally after hitting a brick wall for close to 20 years I have been able to discover who my 3rd great grandparents are! How did I find it, my account with family search gave me a clue to review.  So I have the indexers to thank that indexed the record to help the record to be matched with my family tree.

Below is my second great grandparents Charles and Catherine’s marriage record. It shows Charles’ parents are: Frederic Timm and Dorothee Techel and Catherine’s parents are: Daniel Kohnen and Gertrude Schlied. I am still researching the birth records for them. Both Charles and Catherine could read and write French as noted on the 1891 Canadian Census.

1874 Charles Timm and Catherine Marriage Record

1874 Marriage Document Charles Timm and Catherine Kohnen

Transcription of Marriage Record

Below is the transcription for the above marriage record, Charles’s birth is recorded in Neubukow, (marriage record spelling is Neubuckow), Grand Duche de Macklenbourg, Germany on the 10th of August 1845. His occupation was a Furrier and he lived in Liège, Belgium at the time of their marriage. Catherine’s birth is recorded in Schonecken, Regency of Treves, Prussia on the 3rd of May 1845. Her occupation was a servant and she also was a resident of Liège, Belgium at the time of their marriage.

Transcription of Marriage Record

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Charles’s birth place – Neubukow

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Catherine’s birth place – Schönecken

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Civil Birth Record for Charles and Catherine’s Children

Charles Daniel Frederic Timm was Charles and Catherine’s first child. He was born on the 23 April 1875 in Liège, Belgium. He married Marie Clara Delia Ducas. They had two children Charles and Angelina Maria Antoinette.

1875 Birth Record for Charles Timm

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Henri Pierre Timm was Charles and Catherine’s second child and my great grandfather. He was born on the 25 September 1876 in Liège, Belgium. He married Marie Dalia Labelle. They had six children: Henri Charles Israel, Catherine Delia Lea, Marie Delila Albertine, Joseph Alphonse Arthur Armand, my grandmother: Marie Josephine Antoinette “Andrea” and Romeo Urgel.

1876 Birth Record for Henri Pierre Timm

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Georges Henri Timm was Charles and Catherine’s third child. He was born on the 29 March 1878 in Liège, Belgium. He married Florida Beaucage. I have found one child on the 1911 Census, he was named Charles.

1878 Birth Record for Georges Timm

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Charles and Catherine’s only daughter and fourth child was Marie Catherine Josephine born 16 Sep 1881 in Liège, Belgium. She was listed on the ship’s passenger list as 4 years old in 1885 and on the 1891 Census as 8 years old. I have not being able to find any more information about her. She is not listed on the 1901 Census or did I find any death record in Ancestry.

1881 Birth Record for Marie Timm

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1885 Sarnia Passenger List for Catherine Timm and children

Here is the ship Sarnia’s passenger list from the Dominion Line showing Catherine and the children came across from Liverpool on 8th of October 1885 and arrived in Quebec 18th of October 1885. Catherine and the children are listed as foreigners as they traveled from Belgium to Liverpool before taking the ship to Quebec. The grandmother Catherine Koan listed on the 1891 Census and is not listed the ship’s passenger list. Charles and Catherine’s marriage certificate shows Dorothee Techel was Catherine’s mother and Gertrude Schlied was Charles’s mother. I have not been able to find out any information about Catherine Koan or do I know how Charles immigrated to Canada, the 1901 census records he came in 1885.

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1882 Photo of the Ship Sarnia

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Furrier by Trade

The first time Charles is listed in the Montreal City Directory are from the years 1887 through 1890. His occupation is Furrier, just as he was in Belgium and his address is 70 Jacques Cartier.

Montreal City Directory

1887 Montreal City Directory Charles Timm

1888 Montreal City Directory Charles Timm

1889 Montreal City Directory Charles Timm 

1890 Montreal City Directory Charles Timm

1894 Detailed Street Map of Montreal

The family lived at 70 Jacques Cartier Road from 1887 – 1890. The Street is located on the map below between D2 – E3.

Detailed Street Map of Montreal

Map Source: http://spacing.ca/montreal/2011/02/15/the-migrations-of-the-rich

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1891 Canadian Census Charles Timm and family

By the 1891 Canadian census the family has moved to Ste-Lucie-de-Doncaster, Terrebonne, Quebec except for their first son Charles, who stayed in Montreal. Charles Junior was living at 85 St Elizabeth St. in 1894, in 1895 his address is 97 St Elizabeth St. Street is located on the map above between D3 – E4

Henri’s future wife Dalia Labelle was living two houses down the street. Both Charles, and his son Henri occupation is listed as farmers. Their son George  is 12 years old. His birth certificate above verifies his age is correct in the 1891 Census, later in the 1901 Census his age is not correct.

1891 Canadian Census Charles Timm and family

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Henri and His Descendants’ Family History

Ste-Lucie Church in 1952

Henri married Dalia Labelle on the 29 October 1892 at Ste-Lucie des-Laurentides, Quebec, Canada, he was 16 years old and Dalia was 19 years old.  The following documents include his marriage certificate and the sale and lease of land between Charles and his son Henri in 1894. Links only opens if you have a paid subscription to Ancestry

1892 October 29 Marriage Henri Timm and Dalia Labelle

1892 Marriage Record Henri Timm and Dalia Labelle

1894 Sale of Property

1894 Sale of Land page 1

1894 Sale of Land page 2

1894 Lease of Land Part 2

Charles Junior is listed in the 1893 – 1894 Montreal Directory, his address is 33 St Urbain, his occupation is a printer and again in the 1894 Montreal Directory his address is 85 St Elizabeth St and occupation is a printer again.

1894 Montreal Directory Charles Timm Jr

1895 Montreal Directories Charles Timm Jr

Charles has returned to Montreal and is listed in the 1897 Montreal Directory. His address is 1424 de Montigney and his occupation is Furrier.

1897 Montreal City Directory Charles Timm and Charles Jr Timm

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List of neighbourhoods in Montreal

Map Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal#/media/File:ArrondissementsQuartiersMontreal.svg

The city is composed of 19 large boroughs, subdivided into neighbourhoods.^[101] The boroughs are: Côte-des-Neiges–Notre-Dame-de-Grace, The Plateau Mount Royal, Outremont and Ville Marie in the centre; Mercier–Hochelaga-Maisonneuve, Rosemont–La Petite-Patrie and Villeray–Saint-Michel–Parc-Extension in the east; Anjou, Montréal-Nord, Rivière-des-Prairies–Pointe-aux-Trembles and Saint-Leonard in the northeast; Ahuntsic-Cartierville, L’Île-Bizard–Sainte-Geneviève, Pierrefonds-Roxboro and Saint-Laurent in the northwest; and Lachine, LaSalle, The South West and Verdun in the south.

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The 1901 Canadian Census

By the 1901 Canadian Census Charles and Kate are living in the Saint-Laurent Ward in Montreal. Their son Georges’s birth date is recorded as 23 November 1872 and his age is 28, his correct birth year is 1878 and his age would be 22. Charles occupation is once again a Furrier and Georges is a Black Smith.

1901 Canadian Census Charles and Catherine Timm Schedule 1

1901 Census Charles, Kate and Georges Timm

Charles Jr is now living in the Quartier Hochelaga-Maisonneuve district, with his wife Delia  and son Charles. His occupation is Teneur De Livre – Bookkeeper.

1901 Canadian Census Charles and Delia Timm Schedule 1

1901 Census for Charles and Delia Timm

On 23 November 1902 Charles’s and Delia’s daughter Antionette is baptized.

Angelina Maria Antionette who goes by “Antionette” is married in 1932 in Montreal to.

The second son Henri and his family have remained in  Ste-Lucie-de-Doncaster, Terrebonne, and are now living next door to his wives’ parents Israel  and Amanda Labelle in the 1901 Census. The Surname Timm was entered as “Thimom” and shows Henri immigrated in 1885 from Belgium. The family names start on line 24.

1901 Canadian Census Henri Timm and family Schedule 1

1901 Census Henri Timm and family

The 1901 Census Schedules 1 and 2 have been entirely preserved Schedule 2 shows Buildings and lands, churches and schools.

1901 Canadian Census Schedule 2

For the 1901 Census, names were recorded on schedule 1 and locations (addresses) of each household on schedule 2. For each household, the corresponding address in schedule 2 is identified by the page and line number of that household in schedule 1. For each division of each sub-district, schedule 2 can be found before the pages for schedule 1.

Since it contains no names, schedule 2 cannot be searched using our 1901 Census database. The PDF files listed below provides you a direct access to digitized images of Schedule 2, sorted by district, sub district and then division.

Luck would have it Henri Timm’s location of his household is not recorded on schedule 2 in the 1901 Canadian Census. His father-in-law Israel Labelle location is recorded on line 39, Henri lives next door in Schedule 1. Israel’s place of habitation in column 3 is  a, cote 17.6 *7 72, two houses are inhabited in column 6, his farm is 260 acres a 1/4 square mile in column 12 . In column 14 the number of dwelling houses is 2, which may account for Henri’s house not been recorded.

1901 Canadian Census Quebec Schedule 2 lookup

1901 Canadian Census Schedule 2 Israel Labelle and Family on line 39

Israel Labelle House Location

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1911 Canadian Census

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